I got involved with environmental things because the Forest Service started a program of spraying 2, -4D herbicides in this area…Between 1976 and 1978, we did not have a single baby carried successfully by anyone who lived in the Orleans area…we had spontaneous abortions, bladder infections, and skin infections. By 1977 we had 3000 bladder infections in a community of 650 to 900 people…Around this time twenty-four women got pregnant in the Orleans area and all of them miscarried. Two of the pregnancies were not even real pregnancies. These two fetuses had all the DNA and material of a child, but there was no life, and the fetus grew rapidly, like a mole or a fungus…I thought it was due to the herbicides, because I could see that was the only thing that had changed in our environment. The Forest Service said, “Oh no, they’re taking dope.”…The Forest Service was saying that the abortions and birth defects that had never been seen around here just happend to coincide with the use of herbicides that were one molecule different from Agent Orange.